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	<title>Comments on: VICTOR, STILL AN ANGRY GUY?</title>
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		<title>By: Your daughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your daughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is my dad an angry guy you ask?  My dads a great guy, he beats the odds, with where he should be in his life. Gods done great things with my Poppa and so I can say from personal experience no he&#039;s not. Whoever asked that question seems like their in a bad mood.  I&#039;m working right now and I thought I&#039;d add to your blog! woohoo! love you.

ps
if people call you celebrity then i am too. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is my dad an angry guy you ask?  My dads a great guy, he beats the odds, with where he should be in his life. Gods done great things with my Poppa and so I can say from personal experience no he&#8217;s not. Whoever asked that question seems like their in a bad mood.  I&#8217;m working right now and I thought I&#8217;d add to your blog! woohoo! love you.</p>
<p>ps<br />
if people call you celebrity then i am too.<br />
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		<title>By: Karen Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor, my friend, after working with you for 2+ years and being in your home several times, I have to say that the only times I have seen you angry had to do with someone innocent being hurt. No, you are not perfect! But, you are God-called to this ministry, and we love you, bro! Keep up the good work. David and Karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor, my friend, after working with you for 2+ years and being in your home several times, I have to say that the only times I have seen you angry had to do with someone innocent being hurt. No, you are not perfect! But, you are God-called to this ministry, and we love you, bro! Keep up the good work. David and Karen</p>
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		<title>By: jack jorden</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack jorden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you could get angry if I was to take the big boiled crawfish from in front of you and eat it myself, Mais Cher der is just so much a man can take yeah.   My tragedy is that indeed I do handle pressures at home different than when I am at work, and my coworkers can&#039;t imagine it.  will call soon.  Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you could get angry if I was to take the big boiled crawfish from in front of you and eat it myself, Mais Cher der is just so much a man can take yeah.   My tragedy is that indeed I do handle pressures at home different than when I am at work, and my coworkers can&#8217;t imagine it.  will call soon.  Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any one has a reason by way of their past to be angry, Victor, its you! But having seen you in person and heard your testimony, I have to say what comes out of you in public is the Holy Spirit of God. I know that God doesn&#039;t change, so I know that it is the same in private as long as you stay focused on our Savior, Jesus Christ. I don&#039;t think getting angry at the enemy constitutes sin, so If your anger is a rightous one, and I am sure it is than by all means be an angry man for Jesus. I pray for you guys all the time. God bless you and keep fighting the good fight.  Love in Christ, Kathy Cramer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any one has a reason by way of their past to be angry, Victor, its you! But having seen you in person and heard your testimony, I have to say what comes out of you in public is the Holy Spirit of God. I know that God doesn&#8217;t change, so I know that it is the same in private as long as you stay focused on our Savior, Jesus Christ. I don&#8217;t think getting angry at the enemy constitutes sin, so If your anger is a rightous one, and I am sure it is than by all means be an angry man for Jesus. I pray for you guys all the time. God bless you and keep fighting the good fight.  Love in Christ, Kathy Cramer</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A celebrity??? And an angry one at that??? Now, that&#039;s funny!!!
Love you guys!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A celebrity??? And an angry one at that??? Now, that&#8217;s funny!!!<br />
Love you guys!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fabe &#38; Mona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabe &#38; Mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howzit!  A month long stay with you and your family is a good gauge of who you are, both in front of people and at home when no one is looking.  My family and I were looking.  Righteous anger &amp; telling the world (and those bound by the things of this world) that enough is enough, is a GOOD THING.  Not many choose to be in the forefront of this war...and yes, it is a WAR.  Yet you continue to pull up your boot straps, put on your armor and move forward for the Kingdom of God.  It takes more then most are willing to give.  The truth is, you&#039;ve been extremely long suffering in this battle.  Sharing your testimony hundreds and thousands of times can wear a person down.....especially your testimony.  But we believe that the Lord has called you to this ministry and you are being obedient to His call to war,  &quot;For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God....&quot; 2 Corinthians 10:4-5. 


What the Lord is doing in your life is testimony itself of the Truth.  Many are responding to the goodess of our Lord as a direct result of the ministry He has entrusted to you.  It&#039;s much easier to be a spectator sitting in the stands then to be on the playing field getting  hit.  He&#039;d do well to stop making excuses for his choice of unbelief and look at the condition of  his own heart.  The choice not to believe is a personal one, the rejection of God Himself (and the work He is doing in your life),  not based upon a person&#039;s PERCEPTION of someone else.  Many are coming from the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of Light.  That&#039;s the whole point!  &quot;I will give you the treasures of darkness and hidden riches of secret places, that you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel&quot; Isaiah 45:3

Based on first hand experience - and what an experience it was =0) - you are committed to the battle for souls.  &quot;Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses&quot; 1 Thimothy 6:12.  We continue to stand with you and your family in prayer!  We love y&#039;all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howzit!  A month long stay with you and your family is a good gauge of who you are, both in front of people and at home when no one is looking.  My family and I were looking.  Righteous anger &amp; telling the world (and those bound by the things of this world) that enough is enough, is a GOOD THING.  Not many choose to be in the forefront of this war&#8230;and yes, it is a WAR.  Yet you continue to pull up your boot straps, put on your armor and move forward for the Kingdom of God.  It takes more then most are willing to give.  The truth is, you&#8217;ve been extremely long suffering in this battle.  Sharing your testimony hundreds and thousands of times can wear a person down&#8230;..especially your testimony.  But we believe that the Lord has called you to this ministry and you are being obedient to His call to war,  &#8220;For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God&#8230;.&#8221; 2 Corinthians 10:4-5. </p>
<p>What the Lord is doing in your life is testimony itself of the Truth.  Many are responding to the goodess of our Lord as a direct result of the ministry He has entrusted to you.  It&#8217;s much easier to be a spectator sitting in the stands then to be on the playing field getting  hit.  He&#8217;d do well to stop making excuses for his choice of unbelief and look at the condition of  his own heart.  The choice not to believe is a personal one, the rejection of God Himself (and the work He is doing in your life),  not based upon a person&#8217;s PERCEPTION of someone else.  Many are coming from the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of Light.  That&#8217;s the whole point!  &#8220;I will give you the treasures of darkness and hidden riches of secret places, that you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel&#8221; Isaiah 45:3</p>
<p>Based on first hand experience &#8211; and what an experience it was =0) &#8211; you are committed to the battle for souls.  &#8220;Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses&#8221; 1 Thimothy 6:12.  We continue to stand with you and your family in prayer!  We love y&#8217;all!</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love all these comments...powerful!
We truly are not perfect...just forgiven!!
To God Be All The Glory, Amen!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love all these comments&#8230;powerful!<br />
We truly are not perfect&#8230;just forgiven!!<br />
To God Be All The Glory, Amen!!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Ventura -Krav Guy from CC Downey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Ventura -Krav Guy from CC Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with being angry at the devil and at what he is doing to our young kids. So you can say , yea I&#039; m angry at satan and I will beat him with prayer not martial arts. Keep up the good work Vic. My wife and I  have been praying for you ministry all week. God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with being angry at the devil and at what he is doing to our young kids. So you can say , yea I&#8217; m angry at satan and I will beat him with prayer not martial arts. Keep up the good work Vic. My wife and I  have been praying for you ministry all week. God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Moses from Roanoke, VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Moses from Roanoke, VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my take on all of this. 

I&#039;ve been a Christian since 1975, and since then I have failed so many times in so many areas that I can&#039;t remember them all. I learned along the way that my heart is exceedingly wicked, and on my own I can&#039;t even really know it&#039;s hidden issues and agendas fully.
I&#039;ve known Victor since 1991, and I&#039;m not surprised at all that God is using him. What I have seen is that God uses the poor, stupid, sinful, misdirected, cynical, clinical, and you name it when it is least expected or when there is no awareness of it happening.
Victor is like all of us who claim Jesus Christ as our covering. His best day is probably alot like mine...pitiful filthy rags when compared with the righteousness of Christ. Anger...yea, I can see what the guy might be talking about. Acting at times like he is completed even while in this earthly state...yea, that too could and probably is VIctor. 

But so it goes with all of us. No matter who you are, my guess is you can&#039;t keep your guard up 24 / 7. I can&#039;t, and for the most part, I quit trying. I never was a success at it. The Victor I know is just a poor dumb guy who doesn&#039;t know any better than to be himself and let his guard down at times. He should be able to keep the image up by now, especially in public and certainly in private, but he just is so limited. He isn&#039;t capable of holding the standard...and I&#039;m glad. 

If he really could, I&#039;d be torn up. I&#039;ve bought in to the  &quot;all of us gone astray and the &quot; narrow way thing&quot;. I don&#039;t want to find a Billy Graham that has it all together, because that would only indict me on another plain with my God. If just one &quot;Victor&quot; out there could be a perfect standard bearer, then why not two, four, ten thousand...me?  But as we all know...we can&#039;t hang. We are ultimately doomed to pay the price for our poor dumb stupid actions, attitudes, attempts at holding up 24 / 7 through our own efforts.

I don&#039;t know the guy who made the comment, but I&#039;d like to say I understand what he is feeling. The enemy has compared me to some of you in the quiet recesses of my thoughts on many occassions. He has put me into a thought process that questioned every motive you can think of. I&#039;ve been angry at Victor and many more like him on numerous occassions. But in the end, I was only angry at myself for not being able to hold the standard myself. I hate to fail, but it&#039;s too late. If you put $100 bill in the offering Sunday and I see it, I&#039;m probably going to think several thoughts about you and your motive. If I see you talking about leading some person to Christ, I hate to tell you but I&#039;ll probably think words like GRANDSTANDING. If you go down the isle or ask for prayer out loud this week and I hear it, I want each of you to know I&#039;ll try not to let my mind wonder about what it is you are really doing or have done. I&#039;ll try, but I&#039;ll probably be sure in &quot;my heart&quot; that you&#039;re hidding something. It&#039;s those voice inside...you know?

 So, if you fail to meet my expectations, I hope someone hits me with a board. But what will most likely happen will be I&#039;ll again put on my robe as &quot;JUNIOR HOLY SPIRIT&quot;. and  I&#039;ll judge you. But it doesn&#039;t fit me at all, and pretty soon I&#039;ll hear a voice inside saying something like &quot;You are right Pete, he is a pitiful soul and isn&#039;t it funny he looks just like you...a hopeless sinner in need of a Savior. And then I&#039;ll again stop and plead for the Blood of Christ to Cover and Cleanse me. It&#039;s daily thing with me. I just can&#039;t help it.

Have a wonderful day!

Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take on all of this. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a Christian since 1975, and since then I have failed so many times in so many areas that I can&#8217;t remember them all. I learned along the way that my heart is exceedingly wicked, and on my own I can&#8217;t even really know it&#8217;s hidden issues and agendas fully.<br />
I&#8217;ve known Victor since 1991, and I&#8217;m not surprised at all that God is using him. What I have seen is that God uses the poor, stupid, sinful, misdirected, cynical, clinical, and you name it when it is least expected or when there is no awareness of it happening.<br />
Victor is like all of us who claim Jesus Christ as our covering. His best day is probably alot like mine&#8230;pitiful filthy rags when compared with the righteousness of Christ. Anger&#8230;yea, I can see what the guy might be talking about. Acting at times like he is completed even while in this earthly state&#8230;yea, that too could and probably is VIctor. </p>
<p>But so it goes with all of us. No matter who you are, my guess is you can&#8217;t keep your guard up 24 / 7. I can&#8217;t, and for the most part, I quit trying. I never was a success at it. The Victor I know is just a poor dumb guy who doesn&#8217;t know any better than to be himself and let his guard down at times. He should be able to keep the image up by now, especially in public and certainly in private, but he just is so limited. He isn&#8217;t capable of holding the standard&#8230;and I&#8217;m glad. </p>
<p>If he really could, I&#8217;d be torn up. I&#8217;ve bought in to the  &#8220;all of us gone astray and the &#8221; narrow way thing&#8221;. I don&#8217;t want to find a Billy Graham that has it all together, because that would only indict me on another plain with my God. If just one &#8220;Victor&#8221; out there could be a perfect standard bearer, then why not two, four, ten thousand&#8230;me?  But as we all know&#8230;we can&#8217;t hang. We are ultimately doomed to pay the price for our poor dumb stupid actions, attitudes, attempts at holding up 24 / 7 through our own efforts.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the guy who made the comment, but I&#8217;d like to say I understand what he is feeling. The enemy has compared me to some of you in the quiet recesses of my thoughts on many occassions. He has put me into a thought process that questioned every motive you can think of. I&#8217;ve been angry at Victor and many more like him on numerous occassions. But in the end, I was only angry at myself for not being able to hold the standard myself. I hate to fail, but it&#8217;s too late. If you put $100 bill in the offering Sunday and I see it, I&#8217;m probably going to think several thoughts about you and your motive. If I see you talking about leading some person to Christ, I hate to tell you but I&#8217;ll probably think words like GRANDSTANDING. If you go down the isle or ask for prayer out loud this week and I hear it, I want each of you to know I&#8217;ll try not to let my mind wonder about what it is you are really doing or have done. I&#8217;ll try, but I&#8217;ll probably be sure in &#8220;my heart&#8221; that you&#8217;re hidding something. It&#8217;s those voice inside&#8230;you know?</p>
<p> So, if you fail to meet my expectations, I hope someone hits me with a board. But what will most likely happen will be I&#8217;ll again put on my robe as &#8220;JUNIOR HOLY SPIRIT&#8221;. and  I&#8217;ll judge you. But it doesn&#8217;t fit me at all, and pretty soon I&#8217;ll hear a voice inside saying something like &#8220;You are right Pete, he is a pitiful soul and isn&#8217;t it funny he looks just like you&#8230;a hopeless sinner in need of a Savior. And then I&#8217;ll again stop and plead for the Blood of Christ to Cover and Cleanse me. It&#8217;s daily thing with me. I just can&#8217;t help it.</p>
<p>Have a wonderful day!</p>
<p>Pete</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Stanton-Builder of the Waco Tower :)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Stanton-Builder of the Waco Tower :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Victor,
I sure do appreciate you, dood. And your response here was right on the money, and something I needed to hear. I recently found myself walking in victory. And it was great, a time when I could hear the Holy Spirit more clearly. But I stumbled and now I am standing back up, seeking God&#039;s hand to hold, wanting to &quot;keep up&quot;. But I know it will be His strength, not mine. Thank God for 1 John 1:9. And I get much comfort from Paul in Romans chapter 7 where he confesses his shortcomings and then moves to chapter 8.....Praise God. May we all, brothers and sisters, follow the Holy Spirit&#039;s leading.
God bless you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Victor,<br />
I sure do appreciate you, dood. And your response here was right on the money, and something I needed to hear. I recently found myself walking in victory. And it was great, a time when I could hear the Holy Spirit more clearly. But I stumbled and now I am standing back up, seeking God&#8217;s hand to hold, wanting to &#8220;keep up&#8221;. But I know it will be His strength, not mine. Thank God for 1 John 1:9. And I get much comfort from Paul in Romans chapter 7 where he confesses his shortcomings and then moves to chapter 8&#8230;..Praise God. May we all, brothers and sisters, follow the Holy Spirit&#8217;s leading.<br />
God bless you all.</p>
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